Milk

[Poulet Frit]

The fact that this turned into nothing but puns is udderly hil-dairy-ous. (Not sure how I feel about hil-dairy-ous)

[Brooke AC]

I told you my power of puns could moove this however I chose!

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

We have only skimmed the surface of puns here…

[Brooke AC]

True. Without puns, I will never be whole.

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

Yeah, you’ll probably be 1 or 2% from being so.

[Brooke AC]

Ehh, I’d say more half and half.
(Also, GOODNIGHT, CARROT)

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

G’night. Sweet creams.

[riseofthekumquat]

“We are the only the only living things that drinks milk after being weened.”

We’re the only living things that invented cookies. Cows would be trying to milk themselves if they knew how to bake up a batch of chocolate chip cookies.

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

Kumquat… you are a genius.

[Dawn]

I believe everything is good in moderation, (sorry to cattle-pony stop the puns and rein it back to serious topic bonus points if you get the puns without looking it up) As long as you don’t drink more than one cup of milk a day, you shouldn’t keel over and die lol. I actually don’t like plain milk anymore. But I still love ice cream. So I don’t drink dairy every day. It’s like a treat, a rare occurrence. America has been overdosed with so many pro milk campaigns that the health gurus are boycotting it since we drank too much. Osteoporosis rose/is rising in older women because people were preaching too hard about calcium makes healthy bones and forgot all about the vitamin D necessary for the bone to use that calcium. By drinking so much milk and not getting enough vitamin D, they actually leached out the calcium that was in their bones,.,

Dude it’s too late for me to form coherent thought. I’ll get some articles from my mom (she’s a bit of a health nut) tomorrow if you’d like. Or if my UNBRIDLED emotion is too much, I could turn it down a BIT.

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

I drink 3+ glasses of milk a day, and the doctor has never told me to do anything except get more exercise.

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

Hey Dawn, would you mind voting in the FACEoff? It’s the championship, so I’d like to get as many votes as possible…

[Poulet Frit]

Dawn, I haven’t had a cup of milk by itself in…I have no clue how long. Personally the taste for me is just….disgusting.
I agree about it in moderation, and local doctors have always said to drink one cup a day…but that’s it. One cup.
I instead get my calcium from almond milk or coconut milk…or my calcium vitamins.
I probably already have a vitamin D deficiency (I don’t know for sure, as we couldn’t get the doctor to do blood work…cuz he’s stupid and mean. I have a deficiency in something as I faint lot) (I take iron every day, but it doesn’t help enough, hence why I think it may be vitamin D)
If carrot can drink 3+ cups a milk a day, go for it. I cannot physically stop you. Yes. Let’s make cookies, but we should only eat cookies in moderation.
Also, the enzymes in a lot of food break down when cooked. That’s why raw veggies are healthier than cooked ones. I haven’t done research on cooked milk. Only straight milk.
I don’t drink milk as the flavor is…ew. I’ll continue to drink almond and coconut milk, but please, consider cutting back on milk, carrot…
Doctors are not always right (just look at my case), but their not always wrong. And there are so many controversies in the medical field.

[Poulet Frit]

The only time I really have dairy is when I eat ice cream or cheese or something. I don’t eat yogurt. Part of my reasoning is because I have terrible allergies and milk makes sinuses worse! And the other part is, I just don’t like it…the cons don’t out weight the pros. So I will instead take my vitamins (…or eat veggies or something)

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

There’s a huge difference between not liking or being allergic to something and that something being unhealthy. I’m allergic to nuts. I don’t eat nuts. Are nuts unhealthy? Not in the least. Nuts are an excellent source of protein for people that have other allergies. Also, eat cookies in moderation? Weren’t you scoffing two days ago at a “meager” amount of Oreos that I ate (10) and saying that you could easily down a whole package? Also, if the cons weigh out the pros, could you please list the cons that can be backed up with SOLID evidence?

[Poulet Frit]

I’m not allergic to milk. I do dislike it, but there are reasons to not drink it.

Milk feeds certain types of cancers. What types? Oh you know, the type my mom had. The type I have a really high chance of having (80% chance)…that type.
For me. The cons outweigh the pros. I’m not gonna let that 80% get any higher.

And yes, cookies are good in moderation. I’m not guilty of pigging out on cookies before…but I don’t eat candy and sweets every day. I can’t remember the last time I had ice cream…so it was probably a month ago.

Milk makes sinuses worse. And a lot of people that are allergic to milk, never know. Because it’s not like a nut allergy where you could die….milk allergies tend not to be so severe.

[Poulet Frit]

All milk has hormones in it. Skim milk has the least. But all milk has hormones. Hormones feed certain kinds of cancer. The kinds I cannot list as they are about more sensitive areas. Some of the kinds are usually undiagnosed until stage 4, and by that time it’s almost too late to do anything.
I cannot say which ones they are, as this is a forum that isn’t supposed to have anything that could possibly be inappropriate…

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

But did she get the cancer from milk? I doubt it. If you have a chance of getting that type of cancer, then don’t drink milk. However, that’s not going to apply to a majority of people. Does drinking milk make you allergic to milk? I don’t believe so. If you’re allergic to drinking milk, you’re allergic to drinking milk. I don’t think I’ve ever had nuts in anything, but I’m allergic to them anyway. I didn’t even like the concept of nuts before I knew I was allergic to them. For clarification, we found out that I was allergic when somebody to add walnuts into a salad after they game me mine, and the dust that remained after they were removed was enough to do me in. As far as mucus…
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2154152

[Poulet Frit]

Anybody on the Internet can write up a fake article. I’m not gonna link to these articles because of things said in the articles or anything else. As you are a child, carrot. And I’m not gonna be responsible for you learning new words or anything else. So you will just have to trust me. Certain types of cancer, are fed by hormones in milk.
Milk pumps us full of hormones. Added hormones can be bad for young girls. As well as older folks. And the type of hormones in milk, are not good for guys to have either.
One cup of milk a day. You probably aren’t getting a ton of hormones from that. But there are so many factors. What type of milk? What area did it come from? Which farm? Which cow? A ton of factors are in this. But the bottom line is for me is, milk has hormones and I don’t need that.
Again, one cup of milk is fine. Not a TON of hormones. But more than enough for me.

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

Okay, on my initial counter about hormones, I didn’t read the article that you posted completely carefully. It did say that the hormone that was talked about is used in the US; however, it shouldn’t be that hard to find milk that specifically says that there aren’t any artificial growth hormones in it.

[Poulet Frit]

No, her cancer wasn’t caused by milk. But it feeds that kind. Feeds it!! Makes it stronger! Why give it that kind of power?
And it’s caused by an inherited gene mutation. I have a 50% chance of having that gene. And if I do I have an 80% chance of having that form of cancer..but the risk of all cancers go up.
But, if I can reduce my risk by something as easy as not drinking milk, exercising more, cutting out red meat. I’ll do it. Simple little changes can save lives.
There are people with the gene that never get cancer. Because they were able to make changes in their lives to prevent it. Most people with the gene never know they have it…until it’s to late.

[Poulet Frit]

Milk has hormones whether it’s added or not. Skim milk has the least. It’s basically as if it came straight out of the cow (from an article I read but cannot find)

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

I completely understand that anybody can write a fake article. However, the link I posted is on a .gov, and appears to be entirely legitimate study, as opposed to an uncited article that some random person wrote. I understand your not posting things, and I am fine with that. However, you don’t have to say what type of cancer or use specific anatomical words to clarify what you mean by “feed off of.” Do you mean that there is strong evidence that that cancer is directly caused by drinking milk, or do you mean that there is strong evidence that drinking milk worsens that specific type of cancer? Again, on the subject of hormones, just do a little research on your milk, and don’t necessarily buy the stuff you find at Wal-Mart or Target. The milk itself does not appear to be the issue on this subject, it’s what the farmers or whoever do with the milk. You can find milk without those added ingredients.

At some point we are going to need to drop this, because we are using the same arguments over and over, and we’re not going to get anywhere except a more hostile relationship. However, if you could specify what you mean about “cancer feeding off of milk,” I would appreciate that, and then I am fine with ending the discussion, hopefully still on friendly terms.

[Poulet Frit]

Drink milk, carrot. I don’t know your family history but it seems like you aren’t at risk for much.
That isn’t the case for everyone. Milk is like…tattoos. you have to decide for yourself if it’s worth it. It’s worth it for you. It’s not for me.
I’m sure dawn will post links to articles that makes points I haven’t said. My stand against milk is on the cancer/hormone side.

[Poulet Frit]

As for me saying that anybody can write I fake article. I was typing that while you were posting the .gov link. Therefore I didn’t see your post until after I posted. That wasn’t about that link.

Certain cancers thrive off of hormones. They need it to survive. And milk (even skim) has those hormones to some degree. Putting the hormones into your body, you are feeding that cancer (if you have it)
Milk doesn’t cause cancer. Milk makes certain cancer cells develop faster, get stronger, and get harder to kill.

I agree that eventually we will need to stop. As I just keep repeating myself. But I don’t think this is making us more hostile. …if anything I said comes across like that, I’m sorry. It wasn’t meant that way, and I didn’t think anything you said came across as hostile. I enjoy learning why people think certain things and when people challenge my beliefs. Because it makes me think about why I believe what I do.

[Poulet Frit]

Milk doesn’t make mucus. It just thickens it…and that ain’t fun. That right there doesn’t make milk bad.
I don’t think milk as this evil monster. But here in America, unless you get skim or drop a lot of money on milk (of all things. Like…we could drop money on more important things), it’s hard to find milk without added hormones. And even if they aren’t added. They are there. Just less

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

Okay, I will close our debate with these statements, and then I will not comment more in an argumentative fashion. You are welcome to say something else from your side if you wish to.

Cancer: Like I said, milk does not cause cancer. It strengthens cancer, and if somebody is trying to reduce the risk of that cancer, then I have no problem with them not drinking milk. However, not everybody has a high chance of getting that cancer or whatever, and if they don’t, I see no problem with them drinking the milk.

Hormones: Yes, there are some unhealthy hormones in milk. Yes, probably some of them cannot be removed from the milk, because they are not added in the first place. However, I think that my point that people have been drinking milk for thousands of years, and only recently have people started questioning it, is still valid. Why would our ancestors continue to drink it if there was no major issue? I will concede that the hormones in milk can cause some issues. However, I doubt those issues are widespread enough to be a major concern.

Bone Strength: Yes, probably milk isn’t quite as wonderful for strengthening bones as is commonly implied. However, I’m not sure that it will necessarily cause issues in a majority of people, either.

[Poulet Frit]

Cancer: I agree. Milk doesn’t CAUSE cancer. And if you aren’t at risk for those forms of cancer (ones that thrive on hormones), drink milk all you want. But most people don’t know if they are at risk for those forms of cancer.

Hormones: we also thought that blood letting was good. I’m not too trusting of what people did in the past.

Bone strength: yall know my relationship with veggies, so this is hard to say. But if you wanna strengthen your bones, eat some leafy greens or…idk carrots? I would prefer that over milk. Veggies would probably be better.

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

I also apologize if I came across as at all rude, annoying, or disrespectful, which I’m sure I probably did. I enjoyed the debate, and I understand and respect your reasons for not drinking milk, but with all due respect, I will continue to drink milk. I hope that this conversation was beneficial to both us and whoever reads it.

I am slightly amused that we had this conversation about milk and not some legitimate social or political issue. Let us commence normal forum life and interaction as normal. Hmm… autotune? ?

[Poulet Frit]

As far as arguing.
Carrot, I didn’t think of this as an argument. I learned some things (mostly about vitamin D), and I hope you did too. I didn’t see this as an argument and I’m sorry if you did. It’s not what I wanted to happen. I didn’t want it to be see as an argument…I don’t think of you any different based off of the counters you gave and points you made.
If I seemed hostile at all, I’m sorry. Truly.

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