Zach/Kevsky Debate

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

Ooh (a wincing ooh, not an excited ooh). Yeah, I really hope they don’t do that…

[Poulet Frit]

I will go see it. But I will not be happy if that is there.
The director said that it’ll be “disney-fied” and I hope he’s right. Josh gad is gay. He’s cool with it. But….parents of children arent

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

Actual Josh Gad isn’t gay, though.

[Poulet Frit]

Wait….what

[Poulet Frit]

He is a very flamboyant straight guy.

[Poulet Frit]

I’m fine with the character being “gay”, because I see it as dumbledore. It didn’t even cross my mind that dumbledore was “gay”, if kids can’t tell. Fine. There is already a ton of inappropriate jokes in Disney movies…like a ton. It’s insane.

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

I was really annoyed when I found out that Dumbledore was supposed to be gay.

[Poulet Frit]

Me too. People need to stop putting inaccurate labels on their children a racers just so they are more relatable or whatever they wanna be

[Poulet Frit]

Characters. Not children a racers. See what happens when I type to fast

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

Yep.

[riseofthekumquat]

I fully understand the idea of wanting perceived injustices to be resolved at the state rather than nationally. That was my issue with Roe v Wade in the first place, the idea of nine unelected officials deciding a decades-long moral debate is ludicrous. State laws should, in general, be more specific than national laws because it’s closer to the people.

That being said, if the national government is going to exist then the national government should be consistent.
Murder is illegal nationwide.
Murder is defined as the killing of another human being.
If a pregnant woman is killed in a car accident, the other driver involved is charged with double homicide.
And yet abortion is still legal and even considered a right by some people.

At the end of the day, I’m technically not even asking for the national government to abolish abortion on the national level. I’m asking for them to call a spade a spade. Regardless of convenience or feelings abortion is murder. With all that in mind the government is more than welcome to reevaluate how it looks at murder, I just want all of the lying and cognitive dissonance to stop.

[Poulet Frit]

I agree, kumquat.

Part of me, being a woman, can understand why, in some circumstances, women decide to have an abortion. (I’m talking about rape and such, not just unwillingness to raise a child). Would I? No. Not even in that circumstance. And no abortion isn’t the answer. But guys are getting away with rape. So I could see, how a woman who was hurt by a man in such a way, that just got the news that she has his child in her, would be…at the end of her ropes. But that’s why we need more support for woman who have been hurt in such a way, and the children of those women, and harsher punishment for the men.

You know that guy in…I believe it was west virginia. That killed the baby by doing absolutely awful things to it….I was all for him being hung. That isn’t the right answer either. Abortion is just as bad as someone being hung, except it’s worse, because the baby is innocent.

And at NO POINT should a child be murdered (before or after birth) because it has down syndrome, epilepsy, etc. Never. Inexcusable.

I do not support abortion. It’s wrong. It needs to be illegal. And if that needs to start on a state level, then by all freaking means!

[Poulet Frit]

Hanging guys. Not right. Though, I wouldn’t have been upset.

Killing babies. Very wrong. Especially with how it’s done.

Women who have miscarriages are so distraught afterwards. They tend to go into depression. Yet, these women who just don’t feel like raising a kid, purposely has it die. My brain cannot wrap around that.

If something awful were to happen to me, and I ended up pregnant because of it, I wouldn’t resent the child. Every child is a gift from God.

If young people are stupid and do things outside of wedlock, and the woman gets pregnant, it’s not OK to kill that child. Under no circumstance is it ok. If I can’t murder the guy that cat called me, or the woman who cussed me out, or even a freaking alligator in FL, then why is it legal to kill an unborn, perfect, innocent baby?

Unborn babies are the only innocent things on earth. They are born into this sinful messed up world, yet in the womb, they are perfect. How can you kill something perfect?

[Poulet Frit]

I love children. And by golly, if I could take in every single baby that would otherwise be murdered…I would. But that’s a lot of kids. Kids that could develop a cure of cancer. Kids that could be scientists….murdered.

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

I agree on the subject of abortion, and I think capital punishment is right either. Yes, maybe the person deserves it, but is that really up to us? God is going to take care of it in the end, and we should be more concerned about witnessing to the person that killing them. I would much rather someone be sentenced to a lifetime in jail than sentenced to death, because in the case of the former, they still have a chance to hear about Jesus. Being able to hear about Jesus and even accept him is far more important than what could be defined as revenge.

[Poulet Frit]

I agree with what you said carrot. Yes I wanted the guy to be hung for his crimes. But in no way, shape, or form would that have been right or better.
But criminals need longer jail time.
A local guy got 10 years in jail for shooting (not killing) a guy that broke into his house and was trying to kill his family. Yet, there are people getting away with crimes much worse than self defense. The system is jack. It needs fixed. Priorities need straighten out, and death row shouldn’t be given out like it is. Yes, some criminals prefer death row. Because they know either way they are going to die for their crimes (whether it’s by death row or other inmates).
Every criminal who is on death row, right before they go to die, a priest comes in with a bible and tells them a little bit about Jesus and asks if they wanna go to heaven. But I’m sorry, yes it’s good to be a Christian even if it’s only for the last 10 min of your life, but scaring people into a religion they don’t believe is wrong.

Also, a ton of criminals find Jesus while they are locked up. And they want to become better people when they get out. Not all, but a good chunk.

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

Yep.

[Tingle]

TINGLE TINGLE KOOLOO LIMPAH!

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

Gotta love that free market.

[Jeff Ross]

I don’t think that this old topic needs to be brought up again, except to the fact that the end of Inner Tube Episode 180 might make a little more sense if the listener is aware of this debate between Zach and Kevin.

You don’t need to re-read the debate, just know that the two have political philosophy differences. 🙂

[Poulet Frit]

Their debates are always beautiful

[Josiah the Carrot Stick]

Oh boy.

[Brooke AC]

Run

[Tingle]

Hey now

[Jeff Ross]

This is one of the heaviest threads on the Not-Forum.

My opinions: Part of the reason the USA needs a good degree of states’ rights that other nations see as “unnecessary” is because of how large and diverse the US is in terms of population, geography, and resources. It’s difficult from a practical standpoint to have an individualistic culture of freedom and put most of the legislative burden on the government at the national level.

Abortion is immoral and as a society that prides itself on protecting even the minority or the disadvantaged, we ought to protect the unborn and not charge them with any crimes that their fathers may have committed. That being said, I would be careful about crafting a law banning abortion to make sure that it didn’t accidentally fault a mother who had a miscarriage.

I do believe that capital punishment under certain circumstances is a good idea for a government to possess (that being if a person clearly attempted and succeeded to end the life of another in a non-justified situation, such as in an act of terrorism). Capital punishment prevents a criminal from being supported by tax dollars for a life in prison, prevents a criminal from escaping and killing more people, and gives the murderer justice for his crimes. Yes, 99.8% of the time I would prefer alternative punishments and restitutions, but there are occasions of terrorism that I have seen where the terrorist has forfeited his right to life.

I do think that our legal system and justice system needs reform. Kristen talked about “longer jail times” but I am more interested in alternative punishments for crimes than simply “time” that the criminals are being supported by my tax dollars. Some criminals are lost causes, but many can be rehabilitated if the right opportunities are presented to them.

I disagree with the context of Kristen’s statement, “But I’m sorry, yes it’s good to be a Christian even if it’s only for the last 10 min of your life, but scaring people into a religion they don’t believe is wrong.” There’s a big difference between witnessing to people on death row and threatening people with death in order to convert. The former is a Godly thing to do, even though the latter is immoral.

I’ll just leave this here.

[DScott]

I do believe that capital punishment is biblical. After the flood God said to Noah:

“Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He Made man.” Genesis 9:6

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